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"Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord." (ningaboss)
09/21/2015 at 08:57 • Filed to: None

Why does gm get fined 35 million for killing 70 people and Volkswagen gets fined up to 18 BILLION for just not passing emissions?

DISCUSSION (14)

bob and john > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:01

your not counting the 35 billion in bribes GM paid to get a 35million fine

Berang > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:02

Volkswagen killed us all just a little bit.

duurtlang > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:02

Fraud, intentionally cheating on a benchmark. Also, I’ve read people insinuating protectionism, but I’m not convinced. Yet.

Sam > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:02

If you want to play devils’ advocate, you could argue that VW could be helping to shorten the life of hundreds of thousands, if not millions. It’s one thing to fudge the numbers a bit, but 60x the limit is actually getting pretty extreme.

djmt1 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:03

Lying is worse than incompetence?

Cé hé sin > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:11

No fine has actually been imposed yet. 18 bn is the maximum potential exposure.

It’ll be interesting to see who else gets caught, because I’d be surprised if this isn’t common.

450X_FTW > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:13

Because GM is actually responsible for deaths that can be traced back to the vehicle. While VW could be, possibly, linked to millions of deaths because dirty exhaust.

Ash78, voting early and often > Sam
09/21/2015 at 09:20

I see where you’re coming from, but in terms of total NOx emissions, VW diesels specifically are contributing very little to the total (just walk around any major European city and enjoy the black boogers). I’ve always been a little mad about the Euro-derived focus on CO2 emissions for so long — at the expense of everything else that can actually kill you or give you cancer.

Not an excuse, just a perspective.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:36

Well, if we fine GM too much we’ll just have to bail them out again. (Cheap shot).

But seriously, it’s because Government. It just falls under different rules that have different penalties, and that’s the maximum that could be imposed, not what will be necessarily.

RazoE > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 09:38

It’s all Obama’s fault.....

actually, I think it could be his higher average MPG requirements, forcing automakers to go to these extremes.*

THANKS OBAMA.

*yes, I’m reaching.

McMike > duurtlang
09/21/2015 at 10:02

Fraud, intentionally cheating on a benchmark. Also, I’ve read people insinuating protectionism, but I’m not convinced. Yet.

I was out of town this weekend and away from the internets, and I’m just catching up with this story now.

The shitstorm has yet to begin.

So many questions. Will running in cheater mode all the time shorten the life on some componants? How pissed will customers be that they are down on power and range? Which side will Westboro Baptist Church side with?

michael bleggi > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 10:08

GM never explicitly lied, and VW lied to save themselves money directly at the danger of the public. Now, i’m no treehugger... but if the government deems something unsafe, and a company knowingly circumvents protective measures of the danger, whether insignificant or not... on a scale of hundreds of thousands of vehicles... that is pretty bad

axiomatik > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 11:09

Umm, GM is paying $900 million in fines, not just $35 million:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/0…

Also, the $18 billion figure for VW is simply the possible maximum. The emissions laws on the books say that a manufacturer can be fined up to $37,500 per vehicle sold that fails to meet emissions standards. Since VW sold 482,000 vehicles that purposely circumvent emissions laws, they could be fined up to $18 billion (482,000 x $37,500 = $18,075,000,000).

wiffleballtony > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
09/21/2015 at 12:51

Look we all know climate change is the biggest threat to this world. /s